That's a great question! In my perspective, thoughts are part of what we know. The other parts are feelings/perceptions, life history/programs/patterns, and intuitions. Over 99% of our thoughts come from programs - one could say that those "simply arise," but I am not sure if this is what you mean. Less than 1% of our thoughts are our creations. Intuitions "simply arise" through cosmic guidance.
I explain these four ingredients to knowing in my article
What I mean is that like intuitions, thoughts can arise independent of our programs/patterns. They simply appear in our awareness. There are thoughts that arise that we aren’t conscious of in the thinking sense you mention, but rather we can be aware of them just as we are of perceptions. Furthermore, experience has shown me that our awareness is also not limited to our body nor to our localized mind, but rather it’s possible to be aware of thoughts that transcend our localized body-mind. This seems to indicate that our mind transcends our body and that we can perceive thoughts that aren’t simply a product of our rational mind’s thinking process or our programs/patterns.
If we are to have a constructive conversation, and I hope we can, we must agree on definitions of the terms. What EXACTLY is a thought? I provide a definition in my article
So either you use the terminology as I suggest it OR you provide your definition of thinking/thoughts … but you must do so with absolute logical clarity (like I do in my texts).
I agree with many things you wrote. Yes, potentially we can know everything that ever happened in the universe or is happening right now. Some call this “akashic record” or “memory of the universe”. My Theory of Mind explains it.
I also desire a constructive conversation and appreciate your use of definitions and adherence to them. Many people lack such rigor and it makes conversation futile at times.
—> think, ie willfully remember past knowings and create/edit knowings.
—> Intuitions are knowings that are neither perceived by the senses nor are they familiarities, but have a meaning for the life form. Intuition is also called the sixth sense or extrasensory perception.
—> consciousness can be aptly used to denote knowing of your history. The basis of consciousness is, therefore, the ability to remember.
—> awareness means 'perceiving.'
Most of the “thoughts” I was referring to would be classified as intuitions (i.e., extrasensory perceptions), and we are by definition aware of intuitions, not conscious of them - intuitions are extrasensory perceptions not thoughts.
Do you see intuitions as pre-verbal and non-conceptual? Is there a subsequent process that concretizes extrasensory perceptions into a knowing that becomes part of our history? Or are most knowings (i.e., until we think about them) pre-verbal and non-conceptual? I suppose the same questions could be asked of all perceptions, since language (and concepts) seem to be a product of thought not inherent to intuition or perception.
You also mentioned that it’s possible for us to know histories that transcend our individual history. Would you say we are conscious or aware of such knowings?
Knowing is non/pre-verbal and non-conceptual. Therefore, intuitions are non/pre-verbal and non-conceptual. Knowing “happens” in a realm that I call EL. I deduce and describe it in my article
Intuitions ARE knowings and, therefore, become part of our history. No process required for this.
Even thoughts are pre-verbal and non-conceptual. You will understand when you study EL. EL is no-form, the universe (including language, pictures, sound) are form.
We are aware of present knowings. Being conscious applies when we look back on our history or create fictitious knowings.
I'm working on an essay attempting to explain how _vital_ _fiction_ as a core component in the development of creativity since fiction deals with several properties of complex structural symbolic organization and reasoning... let me ask you this real quick....
Is it more parsimonious to assume _everything_ is a fiction until we can reasonably ascertain that which is _provisionally true_ (Marshall MacLuhan), rather than to assume things are _true_ unless we learn they are fictions ... you'll recognize this is at the core of the problem Western civilization is experiencing with this massive flood of bullshit permeating the culture in the form of so-called "misinformation" or "malinformation" etc... we all make assumptions predicated on assumed "truths," and this is obviously not helping us in this climate of Peak Bullshit.
Thanks again for reading and taking the time to reply.
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." (Marcus Aurelius)
We should learn that we just have perspectives ... and a perspective is a consequence of our life history, ie everything we every knew in our life, no matter whether or not we can knowingly remember it.
We see the world (and thus have a perspective) through the "glasses" of our life history.
We are full of programs that bring forth 99+ percent of our actions and thoughts. ("Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills." (Arthur Schopenhauer))
Programs are patterns in our life history. (I explain the details in my Theory of Mind.)
Awareness happens in the perception window of your knowing screen. Consciousness happens in the thinking window. Awareness is now. Consciousness includes the past.
A friend sent me here, and It was validating to read your work.
I have the same understanding of the difference btwn consciousness and awareness.
I use a photo of a Mountain and a lake scene to describe the difference between being aware of what you are perceiving, and KNOWING or consciousness of what you are seeing.
Are you implying that we the generator of all our thoughts or, like feelings, can we also perceive thoughts that simply arise?
That's a great question! In my perspective, thoughts are part of what we know. The other parts are feelings/perceptions, life history/programs/patterns, and intuitions. Over 99% of our thoughts come from programs - one could say that those "simply arise," but I am not sure if this is what you mean. Less than 1% of our thoughts are our creations. Intuitions "simply arise" through cosmic guidance.
I explain these four ingredients to knowing in my article
“Intuition is Much More Than Just a Sixth Sense”
(It is our cosmic connection to the universe)
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/intuition-is-much-more-than-just?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
What I mean is that like intuitions, thoughts can arise independent of our programs/patterns. They simply appear in our awareness. There are thoughts that arise that we aren’t conscious of in the thinking sense you mention, but rather we can be aware of them just as we are of perceptions. Furthermore, experience has shown me that our awareness is also not limited to our body nor to our localized mind, but rather it’s possible to be aware of thoughts that transcend our localized body-mind. This seems to indicate that our mind transcends our body and that we can perceive thoughts that aren’t simply a product of our rational mind’s thinking process or our programs/patterns.
If we are to have a constructive conversation, and I hope we can, we must agree on definitions of the terms. What EXACTLY is a thought? I provide a definition in my article
“This is the Difference Between Humans and Animals” (https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/this-is-the-difference-between-humans?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web). An even deeper reaching definition is contained in my Theory of Mind, which I document in my book “Consciousness – Its Nature, Purpose, and How to Use It” (https://bernhardkutzler.com/books/).
So either you use the terminology as I suggest it OR you provide your definition of thinking/thoughts … but you must do so with absolute logical clarity (like I do in my texts).
I agree with many things you wrote. Yes, potentially we can know everything that ever happened in the universe or is happening right now. Some call this “akashic record” or “memory of the universe”. My Theory of Mind explains it.
I also desire a constructive conversation and appreciate your use of definitions and adherence to them. Many people lack such rigor and it makes conversation futile at times.
—> think, ie willfully remember past knowings and create/edit knowings.
—> Intuitions are knowings that are neither perceived by the senses nor are they familiarities, but have a meaning for the life form. Intuition is also called the sixth sense or extrasensory perception.
—> consciousness can be aptly used to denote knowing of your history. The basis of consciousness is, therefore, the ability to remember.
—> awareness means 'perceiving.'
Most of the “thoughts” I was referring to would be classified as intuitions (i.e., extrasensory perceptions), and we are by definition aware of intuitions, not conscious of them - intuitions are extrasensory perceptions not thoughts.
Do you see intuitions as pre-verbal and non-conceptual? Is there a subsequent process that concretizes extrasensory perceptions into a knowing that becomes part of our history? Or are most knowings (i.e., until we think about them) pre-verbal and non-conceptual? I suppose the same questions could be asked of all perceptions, since language (and concepts) seem to be a product of thought not inherent to intuition or perception.
You also mentioned that it’s possible for us to know histories that transcend our individual history. Would you say we are conscious or aware of such knowings?
Answers to your questions:
Knowing is non/pre-verbal and non-conceptual. Therefore, intuitions are non/pre-verbal and non-conceptual. Knowing “happens” in a realm that I call EL. I deduce and describe it in my article
“There is More Than Just the Universe”
(The worldview of the two “kingdoms”)
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/there-is-more-than-just-the-universe?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Intuitions ARE knowings and, therefore, become part of our history. No process required for this.
Even thoughts are pre-verbal and non-conceptual. You will understand when you study EL. EL is no-form, the universe (including language, pictures, sound) are form.
We are aware of present knowings. Being conscious applies when we look back on our history or create fictitious knowings.
I'm working on an essay attempting to explain how _vital_ _fiction_ as a core component in the development of creativity since fiction deals with several properties of complex structural symbolic organization and reasoning... let me ask you this real quick....
Is it more parsimonious to assume _everything_ is a fiction until we can reasonably ascertain that which is _provisionally true_ (Marshall MacLuhan), rather than to assume things are _true_ unless we learn they are fictions ... you'll recognize this is at the core of the problem Western civilization is experiencing with this massive flood of bullshit permeating the culture in the form of so-called "misinformation" or "malinformation" etc... we all make assumptions predicated on assumed "truths," and this is obviously not helping us in this climate of Peak Bullshit.
Thanks again for reading and taking the time to reply.
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." (Marcus Aurelius)
We should learn that we just have perspectives ... and a perspective is a consequence of our life history, ie everything we every knew in our life, no matter whether or not we can knowingly remember it.
We see the world (and thus have a perspective) through the "glasses" of our life history.
We are full of programs that bring forth 99+ percent of our actions and thoughts. ("Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills." (Arthur Schopenhauer))
Programs are patterns in our life history. (I explain the details in my Theory of Mind.)
Awareness happens in the perception window of your knowing screen. Consciousness happens in the thinking window. Awareness is now. Consciousness includes the past.
A friend sent me here, and It was validating to read your work.
I have the same understanding of the difference btwn consciousness and awareness.
I use a photo of a Mountain and a lake scene to describe the difference between being aware of what you are perceiving, and KNOWING or consciousness of what you are seeing.
https://karafree.substack.com/p/this-summer-i-took-a-ride-on-a-train.
I made a video, but the essay can be read on the page. just missing a lot of the visuals in the print.
I explore many more ideas in my post in regards to consciousness, but it was good to find your work.
That's fantastic writing.
Let me know if my understanding is correct
1. Unconscious Incompetence
Not able to knowing together and can't make action .
2. Conscious Incompetence
Knowing together but couldn't make any action.
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3. Conscious Competence
Knowing together and able to make an action .
4. Unconscious Competence
Not able to knowing together and couldn't make any action.
Not quite, but your thinking in the right direction. Your explanation of 4 is the same as your explanation of 2 ... so there's an error.
Competence is the ability to act properly.
Incompetence is the inability to act properly.
Conscious means knowing your past, ie your experiences.
Unconscious means not knowing your past, ie your experiences.
So
- conscious competence is acting knowingly properly.
- unconscious completence is acting unknowingly properly.
etc.
Thanks for clearing that:)