Interesting, and it parallels the experience of my sister in law, who died of cancer. My wife, her sister, has often said that nothing could have saved her because of her mental state from not being able to deal with her anger and despair over things that happened in her family. All that negativity had to go somewhere.
Intriguing post. Reminds me of Genesis-Eve‘s name means life. This means that The Fall occurred because Adam (& Eve) could not say no to life.
I like, again, how you mentioned that animals and plants can get cancer, which further supports my idea that all things existed first in Nature. And the fact that civilized humans are far more likely to get cancer than any creatures living in Nature might suggest that the purpose of civilized humans is to construct nozzles where they don’t belong. At the very least-assuming your arguments are correct (I think so)-it means we are especially apt at stifling or redirecting growth where it shouldn’t be.
Interesting and many factors absolutely you are correct. What I feel something missing or not understand by you is experiencing, experience is truth and that is acceptable by everyone. Truth is hiding everywhere and it reveals only who really wanted to know it and trying to see as truth. When you see your death your self, there truth begins start reveals... This point called meditation sithi or seeing you as a soul. I leave this topic at this level. But you right Ramana magarish is not reached full enlightenment and he died. Once who gain full enlightenment he will never allow to die the body, instead either he will move sit in some places (mukthi) or he will transform his body to another form (moksham),
Thank you for the kindness. I'm happy to read about your view and manyway you are absolutely correct and match with me. But my request never push your view to others in the way of Articles everything. Allow time to take their own way to teach and create interests and build intellectual for others as well. Sometimes, no actually many times the intellectual hit the road block because of egotic behaviours. Allow mind to find the truth. Truth actually hiding behind the mind, when mind get emptiness, it reveals everything. By filling by daily basis to try to find logic's and provide the reasoning but not truthful. We all birth to get something experience and enjoy...allow each one of their food to eat themselves what they interested. I believe you reached above 60 plus ages... You know better than me in this world...we came here to do nothing but daily doing everything without knowing many things. Happy days for you.
He got cancer because the body he incarnated into was scripted to have cancer, he had no choice, like none of us do. Because this reality is Maya, an illusion. We merely observe. Birth date is scripted, death date is scripted and so is everything in the middle.
With this belief you degrade yourself to an animal. We ABSOLUTELY do have a choice; choice is what distinguishes us from animals. See my article “This is the Difference Between Humans and Animals”:
💯 you are correct sir, you have chances to switch off the mind. Is it possible you can reveals how to reach the switch off mind. Or how are you able to do this ? What all the way did you try to gain the skills? I'm serious on this...
First, we must define the term 'mind.' It has the root men-, which means 'to think'. So, strictly speaking, the mind is the "thinker" in us. In philosophy, the word mind is used in a greater context, namely as the opposite of the body. As such, it is more than thoughts, as I explain in my article
Of course, I cannot switch off the mind in the second sense; only in the first sense. When I switch off the "thinker", pure awareness remains. I do it using what I call the 'tightrope method.' I use my understanding of mind in the philosophical sense (from my article) and gradually reduce my awareness to exclude thinking. I imagine this as walking on a tightrope. Being in balance means not thinking; so I practice holding balance ...
Accordingly to you if mind is thinker who is feeder? Whatever mind thinking (asking), who is giving the answer in the place of mind asking. Did you ever find that ..?
The world is an illusion because it is always changing. Even if you completely did turn off your thoughts, which I'd bet you can't entirely, observe them and quiet them maybe. But even if you did, they still come back and once they come back they control you.
Obviously, you don't know what an ILLUSION is. Either find out for yourself, or read my article on it.
Change is the essence of the universe; it has nothing to do with illusion.
Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about regarding thoughts. The mind is the tool that distinguishes us from animals. If you learn to control your mind/thoughts, you can use this tool like any other tool; eg your hands. There are two types of people: those who control their mind - and those who are controlled by their mind. I've worked for over ten years to obtain control of my mind. You seem to belong to the other group since you neglect the other possibility.
It is pretty arrogant to question what I have achieved through hard work:
See my article “Why I Socially Isolated Myself for 3.5 Years – and What Came Out of It”:
He is absolutely right, he can switch off his thoughts easily as if he knows the methods. But I have surprised as he said is he able to do daily basis. Because if one does daily basis then nothing there to write here...so he may right he is switching off but what he switching off is questionable here...when he says thought switching off, we have multiple categories within that ..they question is which comportment he is switching off is important here... I 💯 sure he can switch off as much he needs, actually he can teach us here that will helpful many here
Generally people get cancer because of a mutation in a tumour-suppressor gene, together with subsequent mutations elsewhere in the genome that result in uncontrolled growth of undifferentiated cells.
Interesting what you wrote. I also think that if someone wants to free themselves from their body, they can do so as a yogi.
After attaining enlightenment, there are two potential paths: either one concentrates exclusively on the detachment from the material world or one discovers a purpose and optimizes the soul-body duality next to the non dual level.In the former, the body is unnecessary; in the latter, the entire material world is needed. Perhaps that's why he didn't want the amputation either, so he could die. Nevertheless, I believe that on the material plane, spiritual positives can turn into opposites. For example, after enlightenment, one might want to leave permanently with their astral body for another spiritual planet, and a negative reason is created within them to allow this to happen.
I am aware of this perspective, but this is just a “nice” spiritual legend. It contradicts the most basic logic of the mind-body relationship and takes the personal responsibility that each of us has ad absurbdum.
If you have any LOGICAL arguments that support your perspective, I am most interested to hear it.
Also, I am most interested to hear/read if you found any LOGICAL flaw in my reasoning about the reason for cancer.
As a nurse, I can follow your reasoning and I agree with various parts of what you say. Some of it may be reproducible in studies, but I find, unfortunately, that there are some jumps in the logic. As all good theories on health, your hypotheses require repeatable studies to confirm. It would be challenging to tease out the various theories you’ve linked together here, but that’s doable. Thankfully, you’ve written a book to get the word out more about the mind-body connection. As you are well aware, medicine takes a long time to change how things have been done, even with good studies behind treatments. What we want is even better cures for cancer, and prevention would be the optimal course! Thank you for putting forth your hypotheses.
I want to address miracles now. I have personally experienced miracles in healing. These go beyond the mind, beyond rational thought. I very much believe in the mind-body connection that you espouse. Here is a great video that addresses the mind vs. consciousness problem:
Please explain, which „jumps“ you see in my logic. I am a mathematician with a PhD in logic … so I really want to know!
I talk about miracles in my book “Consciousness – Its Nature, Purpose, and How to Use It” (https://bernhardkutzler.com/books/) and explain in my Theory of Mind (ToM) how miracles happen. I, too, experienced miracles … I will write about one involving my brother in a future newsletter article.
Thank you for sharing the video from Deepak Chopra.
You’re welcome for Chopra’s video. I sent it because it explains that consciousness cannot be proven rationally. In like manner, spirituality cannot be quantified rationally. And enlightened beings, I feel, fall under the same category; I feel that rational thought is unable to explain their lives, their miracles, and their deaths.
I love hearing that you’ve also witnessed miracles and I read one of your posts where you healed yourself through working the body-mind connection. So awesome! Medicine is starting to see that vital connection!
Your basic premise, if I may take a stab at summarizing, is that an imbalance in the vital life force energy of any being can stress the being and cause cancer. You explain that a human being needs to be creative as well as have other needs met to be balanced, per the garden hose metaphor. You further surmise that Maharshi was off balance because he didn’t care about his body.
To be as “off-balance” as Sri Maharshi is what many aspire to. He said we are not born nor do we die. He said we are eternal beings, much more than flesh, and that all this physical “reality” is illusion. More importantly, because he had no ego, he had no desires, and all his needs were met. He lived in a constant state of peace. So, what was he not doing that would stop up his system, his Prana? People in his presence were healed, were enlightened. So, it seems that it’s your own idea about what constitutes balance that has brought you to this conclusion.
And how do you explain the many people I’ve known as patients that don’t give any care to their bodies, are drugged out living on the streets and don’t eat right or sleep regularly, and never get cancer? There are loads of unbalanced, by your definition, people who don’t develop illnesses.
I cannot, therefore, ascribe to this definition of balance that you have brought forth, as I’ve seen so many who have lived counter to your theory, without falling ill, especially without getting cancer.
This was the jump in logic that interested me most. Thank you.
The flaw in ALL communications about consciousness is that nobody DEFINES the term ‘consciousness’. Socrates put it this way: “The beginning of wisdom is the definition of words.” Without a definition of consciousness, everything that is said/written about consciousness remains fuzzy and cannot be the basis of serious and constructive discussions.
In my book on consciousness, I provide a crystal-clear definition. So if you want to communicate with me about consciousness, you need to refer to the definition I provide in my book – a less elaborate version is in my newsletter article on consciousness. Or you provide your own definition, but please make it crystal clear.
This applies to ALL terms you use. When you talk about enlightened people, pls provide a crystal-clear definition of enlightenment. I provide one in my book on consciousness. Pls provide a definition of ego. I provide one in my book on consciousness.
You summarized my basic premise from the article utterly wrong. You made so many wrong claims about my article that I am unable to address them all. You obviously misunderstood my article fundamentally.
Interesting, and it parallels the experience of my sister in law, who died of cancer. My wife, her sister, has often said that nothing could have saved her because of her mental state from not being able to deal with her anger and despair over things that happened in her family. All that negativity had to go somewhere.
Absolutely! Thank you for sharing your experience. I describe my perspective on chronic anger, etc in my article “Why Is There So Much Aggression?”:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/why-is-there-so-much-aggression?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Will read, thanks.
That's fantastic writing. My parents named me "Ramanan" after his name.
Intriguing post. Reminds me of Genesis-Eve‘s name means life. This means that The Fall occurred because Adam (& Eve) could not say no to life.
I like, again, how you mentioned that animals and plants can get cancer, which further supports my idea that all things existed first in Nature. And the fact that civilized humans are far more likely to get cancer than any creatures living in Nature might suggest that the purpose of civilized humans is to construct nozzles where they don’t belong. At the very least-assuming your arguments are correct (I think so)-it means we are especially apt at stifling or redirecting growth where it shouldn’t be.
Well done.
Interesting and many factors absolutely you are correct. What I feel something missing or not understand by you is experiencing, experience is truth and that is acceptable by everyone. Truth is hiding everywhere and it reveals only who really wanted to know it and trying to see as truth. When you see your death your self, there truth begins start reveals... This point called meditation sithi or seeing you as a soul. I leave this topic at this level. But you right Ramana magarish is not reached full enlightenment and he died. Once who gain full enlightenment he will never allow to die the body, instead either he will move sit in some places (mukthi) or he will transform his body to another form (moksham),
Thank you for your comment. Regarding truth, see my new article:
“Knowledge is Not the Same as Truth”
(On the relativity of perspectives, theories, science, and religion)
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/knowledge-is-not-the-same-as-truth?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Thank you for the kindness. I'm happy to read about your view and manyway you are absolutely correct and match with me. But my request never push your view to others in the way of Articles everything. Allow time to take their own way to teach and create interests and build intellectual for others as well. Sometimes, no actually many times the intellectual hit the road block because of egotic behaviours. Allow mind to find the truth. Truth actually hiding behind the mind, when mind get emptiness, it reveals everything. By filling by daily basis to try to find logic's and provide the reasoning but not truthful. We all birth to get something experience and enjoy...allow each one of their food to eat themselves what they interested. I believe you reached above 60 plus ages... You know better than me in this world...we came here to do nothing but daily doing everything without knowing many things. Happy days for you.
He got cancer because the body he incarnated into was scripted to have cancer, he had no choice, like none of us do. Because this reality is Maya, an illusion. We merely observe. Birth date is scripted, death date is scripted and so is everything in the middle.
This is what you BELIEVE, ie what you HOLD true; it IS NOT the truth.
See my article “Knowledge is Not the Same as Truth”:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/knowledge-is-not-the-same-as-truth?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Since you use the word illusion: do you even know what an illusion is? I explain it in my article “Why and How the Universe Is an Illusion”:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/why-and-how-the-universe-is-an-illusion?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
With this belief you degrade yourself to an animal. We ABSOLUTELY do have a choice; choice is what distinguishes us from animals. See my article “This is the Difference Between Humans and Animals”:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/this-is-the-difference-between-humans?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I am working on an article about free will.
Do you have the choice to turn off your thoughts?
Yes, I do. I practice it regularly.
💯 you are correct sir, you have chances to switch off the mind. Is it possible you can reveals how to reach the switch off mind. Or how are you able to do this ? What all the way did you try to gain the skills? I'm serious on this...
First, we must define the term 'mind.' It has the root men-, which means 'to think'. So, strictly speaking, the mind is the "thinker" in us. In philosophy, the word mind is used in a greater context, namely as the opposite of the body. As such, it is more than thoughts, as I explain in my article
“Thoughts are Not Products of the Brain”
(You are not what you have learned to be)
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/thoughts-are-not-products-of-the?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Of course, I cannot switch off the mind in the second sense; only in the first sense. When I switch off the "thinker", pure awareness remains. I do it using what I call the 'tightrope method.' I use my understanding of mind in the philosophical sense (from my article) and gradually reduce my awareness to exclude thinking. I imagine this as walking on a tightrope. Being in balance means not thinking; so I practice holding balance ...
Accordingly to you if mind is thinker who is feeder? Whatever mind thinking (asking), who is giving the answer in the place of mind asking. Did you ever find that ..?
The world is an illusion because it is always changing. Even if you completely did turn off your thoughts, which I'd bet you can't entirely, observe them and quiet them maybe. But even if you did, they still come back and once they come back they control you.
Obviously, you don't know what an ILLUSION is. Either find out for yourself, or read my article on it.
Change is the essence of the universe; it has nothing to do with illusion.
Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about regarding thoughts. The mind is the tool that distinguishes us from animals. If you learn to control your mind/thoughts, you can use this tool like any other tool; eg your hands. There are two types of people: those who control their mind - and those who are controlled by their mind. I've worked for over ten years to obtain control of my mind. You seem to belong to the other group since you neglect the other possibility.
It is pretty arrogant to question what I have achieved through hard work:
See my article “Why I Socially Isolated Myself for 3.5 Years – and What Came Out of It”:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/why-i-socially-isolated-myself-for?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
See my article “How to Become What You Truly Are in 7 Steps”:
https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/how-to-become-what-you-truly-are?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
https://open.substack.com/pub/fleamason/p/all-mountains-are-melted-buildings?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=3rl4zv
Here's one heck of an illusion.
Thanks for your links.
He is absolutely right, he can switch off his thoughts easily as if he knows the methods. But I have surprised as he said is he able to do daily basis. Because if one does daily basis then nothing there to write here...so he may right he is switching off but what he switching off is questionable here...when he says thought switching off, we have multiple categories within that ..they question is which comportment he is switching off is important here... I 💯 sure he can switch off as much he needs, actually he can teach us here that will helpful many here
Generally people get cancer because of a mutation in a tumour-suppressor gene, together with subsequent mutations elsewhere in the genome that result in uncontrolled growth of undifferentiated cells.
That's the scientific perspective that considers only the physical universe. According to my research and experience as well as ancient insights, there is more than the universe, see my article “There is More Than Just the Universe” (https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/there-is-more-than-just-the-universe?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) for a thorough deduction of this realm.
Further, this realm is the only reality, see my article “Why and How the Universe Is an Illusion” (https://open.substack.com/pub/bernhardexplores/p/why-and-how-the-universe-is-an-illusion?r=3oqs68&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web) for a proof. (This insight is compatible with the First Hermetic Principle and Advaita Vedanta.)
Therefore, cancer does have a mental cause, which is BEHIND a mechanism such as the one you described.
Interesting what you wrote. I also think that if someone wants to free themselves from their body, they can do so as a yogi.
After attaining enlightenment, there are two potential paths: either one concentrates exclusively on the detachment from the material world or one discovers a purpose and optimizes the soul-body duality next to the non dual level.In the former, the body is unnecessary; in the latter, the entire material world is needed. Perhaps that's why he didn't want the amputation either, so he could die. Nevertheless, I believe that on the material plane, spiritual positives can turn into opposites. For example, after enlightenment, one might want to leave permanently with their astral body for another spiritual planet, and a negative reason is created within them to allow this to happen.
Ramana Maharshi took on other people’s illnesses, like a lot of other spiritual giants, because of his compassion.
I am aware of this perspective, but this is just a “nice” spiritual legend. It contradicts the most basic logic of the mind-body relationship and takes the personal responsibility that each of us has ad absurbdum.
If you have any LOGICAL arguments that support your perspective, I am most interested to hear it.
Also, I am most interested to hear/read if you found any LOGICAL flaw in my reasoning about the reason for cancer.
As a nurse, I can follow your reasoning and I agree with various parts of what you say. Some of it may be reproducible in studies, but I find, unfortunately, that there are some jumps in the logic. As all good theories on health, your hypotheses require repeatable studies to confirm. It would be challenging to tease out the various theories you’ve linked together here, but that’s doable. Thankfully, you’ve written a book to get the word out more about the mind-body connection. As you are well aware, medicine takes a long time to change how things have been done, even with good studies behind treatments. What we want is even better cures for cancer, and prevention would be the optimal course! Thank you for putting forth your hypotheses.
I want to address miracles now. I have personally experienced miracles in healing. These go beyond the mind, beyond rational thought. I very much believe in the mind-body connection that you espouse. Here is a great video that addresses the mind vs. consciousness problem:
(Sorry it’s on LinkedIn!)
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/deepakchopra_consciousness-science-beyondthebrain-activity-7205916666726141955-rYXF?utm_source=combined_share_message&utm_medium=member_ios
Thank you!
Please explain, which „jumps“ you see in my logic. I am a mathematician with a PhD in logic … so I really want to know!
I talk about miracles in my book “Consciousness – Its Nature, Purpose, and How to Use It” (https://bernhardkutzler.com/books/) and explain in my Theory of Mind (ToM) how miracles happen. I, too, experienced miracles … I will write about one involving my brother in a future newsletter article.
Thank you for sharing the video from Deepak Chopra.
You’re welcome for Chopra’s video. I sent it because it explains that consciousness cannot be proven rationally. In like manner, spirituality cannot be quantified rationally. And enlightened beings, I feel, fall under the same category; I feel that rational thought is unable to explain their lives, their miracles, and their deaths.
I love hearing that you’ve also witnessed miracles and I read one of your posts where you healed yourself through working the body-mind connection. So awesome! Medicine is starting to see that vital connection!
Your basic premise, if I may take a stab at summarizing, is that an imbalance in the vital life force energy of any being can stress the being and cause cancer. You explain that a human being needs to be creative as well as have other needs met to be balanced, per the garden hose metaphor. You further surmise that Maharshi was off balance because he didn’t care about his body.
To be as “off-balance” as Sri Maharshi is what many aspire to. He said we are not born nor do we die. He said we are eternal beings, much more than flesh, and that all this physical “reality” is illusion. More importantly, because he had no ego, he had no desires, and all his needs were met. He lived in a constant state of peace. So, what was he not doing that would stop up his system, his Prana? People in his presence were healed, were enlightened. So, it seems that it’s your own idea about what constitutes balance that has brought you to this conclusion.
And how do you explain the many people I’ve known as patients that don’t give any care to their bodies, are drugged out living on the streets and don’t eat right or sleep regularly, and never get cancer? There are loads of unbalanced, by your definition, people who don’t develop illnesses.
I cannot, therefore, ascribe to this definition of balance that you have brought forth, as I’ve seen so many who have lived counter to your theory, without falling ill, especially without getting cancer.
This was the jump in logic that interested me most. Thank you.
The flaw in ALL communications about consciousness is that nobody DEFINES the term ‘consciousness’. Socrates put it this way: “The beginning of wisdom is the definition of words.” Without a definition of consciousness, everything that is said/written about consciousness remains fuzzy and cannot be the basis of serious and constructive discussions.
In my book on consciousness, I provide a crystal-clear definition. So if you want to communicate with me about consciousness, you need to refer to the definition I provide in my book – a less elaborate version is in my newsletter article on consciousness. Or you provide your own definition, but please make it crystal clear.
This applies to ALL terms you use. When you talk about enlightened people, pls provide a crystal-clear definition of enlightenment. I provide one in my book on consciousness. Pls provide a definition of ego. I provide one in my book on consciousness.
You summarized my basic premise from the article utterly wrong. You made so many wrong claims about my article that I am unable to address them all. You obviously misunderstood my article fundamentally.